Anyone know about how many points the new Battalion boxes are?
i decided not to preorder. completly overpriced.
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I ordered the lot, but Iām most excited for the Trident Realms stuff.
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You did the ācompleteā / everything order? Nice.
I didnt have the foresight to plan for this very well.
Iām also just getting into Halo and my budgetary strength is now a bit dividedā¦
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I ordered the books (because of the lore and fun of reading through a physical book, got a companion subscription, so I donāt āneedā them) and the spell and artifact cards, because I liked them in 3rd as a reminder of which unit has which artifact/spell.
Surprisingly I was really tempted by the TR releases. Never been interested in TR, but the new models are pretty cool.
XE, not my cup of tea, but I like that this gives us an overarching storyline through out the 4th edition. It will be interesting to see what will happen to Pannithor. If, at the end, Morgoth reappears and makes Undead great again, everything is fine! 
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Do we know whatās in the āslimline bookā that comes with the 2 player starter set? All the rules but no lore, or are things missing from the rules as well?
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Core rules, a little bit of lore, how armies are built, but no lists or advanced rules. and only examples of magic items and spells. Itās just a 2-player starter booklet, mostly for new players. A handy and lightweight rules reference generally though!
Profiles for the units in the box are on separate sheets.
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how much more are there in the advanced rules? Command Orders, Scenarios and something else?
Timed game, command orders, scenarios, complex cases & clarifications
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Since we donāt know how things are pointed in v4 ā¦
Going on existing points, the halfling one is around 1000pts - although Iām unsure itās legal to take all the heroes at the same time?
TR one is about 800 and the TK 750ish
^ this is based just on unit in the boxes, no upgrades or using multibasing to get extra units.
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Interesting comment from Kyle over on FB, regarding the new xirkaali warriors (the basic dog soliders which are shown based in 4s and 8s):
āThey are heavy infantry and some are large infantry [the hunters/berserkers]. But get the notion of 5x2 or 5x4 etc completely out of your head as KoW models wonāt be developed to fit a rank and file system that it doesnāt even use. Models will be developed to fit on their bases as it represents the unit. The Lionsnarl Cavalry for example, is a 4th edition regiment size for 3 models (not a troop). This would traditionally be a āhordeā of 6 large cav. But thereās just no need to stick to those guidelines.ā
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I heard the same on counter charge podcast with Kyle, worth a listen BTW.
I noticed on fb the placoderms are 16 I the box.
The frost claws are 2 models when In my head you have it as 3. Just what we are used to.
It seems reasonable to me as itās the base as you say, but we are all used to unit counting. Plus shrinkflation as well maybe a part. Even now I have units with 18 models and 34 and I feel like I need to hit 20 and 40.
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Manticās reply to basing query.
āUnit base sizes arenāt changing - but different numbers of models will fit on that unit base depending on exactly what they are.
There will be an appropriate number of models in each kit for any given unit, but many players will use a couple less and add cool diorama elements - which we absolutely still encourage! The main principle is that the unit base should still ālook fullā, and be clearly recognisable as to what it represents.ā
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I was going to open a new thread on this but here is my answer. Iām starting a new army and can start on the bases. Iāll wait for the final rules to see which unit goes on which base but the usual suspects (infantry troop, infantry horde, cavalry āregimentā 'ā¦.) stay the same.
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Yeah, definitely a lot of cool things all at once.
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Iāve been waiting for price commentary. I was a little surprised at the price hikes, which are close to +50% on what should be the value boxes (I think the uptick on Ambush boxes is particularly rough, turning a very spammable purchase (I own 3-4 of the Goblin box!) into more of a standard intro to the faction / game box), but honestly? These are the prices that Manticās competitors are charging (GW, Warmachine, etc) with the added pain of our current tariff hell tacked on.
Does that suck? Yes! Does it limit how much Iām buying from Mantic in the future? Vaguely! I find thatās more determined by how cool Manticās stuff is (Iām an adult with no kids and miniwargaming is my main hobby), and I think the quality of these preorders is quite a bit higher than what weāve seen.
This isnāt me trying to defend exorbitant pricing, just that I can see why Mantic did it. The sticker shock is still totally justified, especially on what were loss leaders (the Ambush boxes and similar intro-to-wargaming sets).
As an aside, my problem right now is deciding if I want to own all or none of the new KOW books. I have so many pointless rule books for dead game editions, I really donāt want to pile up even more. With the rules all on the companion, that goes doubly so for these books 
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The goblin ambush set was such stupidly good value, any changes are always going to be disappointing! The hafling one, which has gone up by 50% for a 50% increase in models, was actually one of āpoorestā value - simply because of how the kit was made.
Plastics are still good value - or at worst comparable to GWs ToW ranges (not AoS). Resin models of quality are always going to be pricey, esp given the size of some of the releases.
Book wise, agree that an all or nothing approach is probably going to be quite common? I like a good hardback, but spend more time looking at Companion or pdf rules than ever would hard copy.
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Iād really love a softcover rule book, so I can spiral bind it, but those launch so late in the edition that they arenāt much use to me 
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The one thing I havenāt seen mentioned are war machines in the new rules. Wonder if they are going to be tweaked?
Has anyone seen anything? curious they havenāt been mentioned if at all.
I just play at my FLGS but am curious. How do tournament organizers plan to incorporate the expansions books?