So green fae elves have been coming for 12 years?
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Figured I might as well transcribe the Undead points from Direct Misfire:
| Unit Name | Unit Size | Pts | Role |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ghouls | Troop | 80 | AUX |
| Regiment | 105 | AUX* | |
| Horde | 180 | AUX* | |
| Zombies | Regiment | 70 | AUX |
| Horde | 110 | COR | |
| Legion | 140 | COR* | |
| Skeleton Warriors | Troops | 65 | AUX |
| Regiment | 90 | COR | |
| Horde | 145 | COR | |
| spears | 10,15,20 | ||
| Skeleton Archers | Troop | 70 | AUX |
| Regiment | 95 | COR | |
| Horde | 155 | COR | |
| Revenants | Troop | 105 | AUX |
| Regiment | 135 | COR | |
| Horde | 215 | COR | |
| Revenant Cavalry | Troop | 130 | AUX |
| Regiment | 180 | COR | |
| Wraiths | Troop | 140 | SPE |
| Regiment | 185 | SPE | |
| Zombie Trolls | Troop | 125 | SPE |
| Regiment | 180 | SPE | |
| Werewolves | Troop | 170 | SPE |
| Regiment | 265 | SPE | |
| Soul Reaver Infantry | Troop | 160 | SPE* |
| Regiment | 210 | SPE* | |
| Wights | Troop | 165 | SUP |
| Regiment | 240 | SUP | |
| Soul Reaver Cavalry | Troop | 165 | SUP* |
| Regiment | 250 | SUP* | |
| Goreblight | 1 | 185 | SUP* |
| Balefire Catapult [2] | 1 | 85 | SUP |
| Undead Army Standard Bearer [2] | 1 | 95 | CHA |
| horse | 15 | ||
| Crypt Gouger [2] | 1 | 140 | CHA* |
| Necromancer [2] | 1 | 60 | CHA |
| horse | 15 | ||
| heal 3, bc 2, surge 6, dl 4, weak 2 | 15, 20, 20, 20, 15 | ||
| Lykanis [1] | 1 | 185 | CHA |
| Revenant King | 1 | 145 | CHA |
| horse | 15 | ||
| surge 5 | 20 | ||
| Barrow Wight | 1 | 235 | WAR |
| hsb 5; surge 5, heal 6 | 0; 20, 30 | ||
| Vampire Lord | 1 | 195 | WAR* |
| horse | 25 | ||
| surge 5 | 20 | ||
| Vampire on Undead Pegasus | 1 | 225 | WAR |
| surge 5 | 20 | ||
| Vampire on Undead Dragon | 1 | 280 | WAR |
| surge 5 | 20 | ||
| Revenant on Undead Giant Wyrm | 1 | 290 | WAR |
| surge 8 | 30 | ||
| Revenant King on Undead Winged Giant Wyrm | 1 | 290 | WAR |
| surge 8 | 30 | ||
| Lady Ilona [U] | 1 | 240 | WAR* |
| enthrall 7 | |||
| Zuinok Iceblood [U] | 1 | 165 | WAR |
| fb 5, surge 8 |
Ghouls become core with a Crypt Gouger, Zombie legions unlock with a Goreblight, Soul Reaver Infantry move to core with a Vampire Lord, and Lady Ilona shifts Soul Reaver Cavalry to special.
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What are the new rules for individual basing? Can we use 40 or 50mm as we like or is it infantry on 40s and mounted on 50?
There are base converters from 20 or 25 mm to 40mm in the shop, so I would say infantry canāt become 50mm.
Do we know the rules for Ambush armies? Iām thinking about trying to introduce 4th to my group this weekend.
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All Iāve seen so far is that itās up to 1000 points, and a single battalion. I play more Ambush than anything else so those are the rules Iām excited for.
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Do you think it should be Core troops count for unlocks?
It could be yeah, I havenāt looked a whole lot at the army building process yet, but that sounds similar to current Ambush I think?
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According to this page, Ambush games are up to 1000 points. 1 Battalion on a 3x3 or 4x4 table. No Warlords or Titans, and all Auxiliary Units become Core.
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Forces of the Abyss points pulled from the Counter Charge review:
| Unit Name | Unit Size | Pts | Role |
|---|---|---|---|
| Imps | Troop | 65 | AUX |
| Gargoyles | Troop | 105 | AUX |
| Flamebearers | Troop | 90 | AUX |
| Regiment | 120 | COR | |
| Lower Abyssals | Troop | 75 | AUX |
| Regiment | 100 | COR | |
| Horde | 155 | COR | |
| Succubi | Troop | 115 | AUX |
| Regiment | 150 | COR | |
| Hellhounds | Troop | 110 | AUX |
| Regiment | 175 | COR | |
| Abyssal Berserkers | Troop | 150 | SPE |
| Regiment | 220 | SPE | |
| Abyssal Horsemen | Troop | 160 | SPE |
| Regiment | 225 | SPE | |
| Tortured Souls | Troop | 135 | SPE |
| Regiment | 190 | SPE | |
| Molochs | Troop | 150 | SUP |
| Regiment | 220 | SUP | |
| Abyssal Nagarri | Regiment | 175 | SUP |
| Chroneas | 1 | 235 | SUP |
| Abyssal Fiend | 1 | 205 | SUP |
| fb 5 | 0 | ||
| Well of Souls [U] | 1 | 275 | SUP |
| Abyssal Harbinger [2] | 1 | 95 | CHA |
| Efreet [2] | 1 | 105 | CHA |
| fb 7 | 0 | ||
| Abyssal Warlock [2] | 1 | 130 | CHA |
| bc 2, dl 6 | 20?,30? | ||
| Despoiler Champion [2] | 1 | 155 | CHA |
| The Bloody Cardinal [U] | 1 | 140 | CHA |
| Abyssal Warlord | 1 | 170 | WAR |
| Seductress | 1 | 195 | WAR |
| enthrall 6, wb 6 | 20,20 | ||
| Archfiend of the Abyss | 1 | 315 | WAR |
| Mauāti-bu-su [U] | 1 | 225 | WAR |
| Baāsuāsu the Vile [U] | 1 | 230 | WAR |
| Lord of Lies [U] | 1 | 345 | WAR |
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The Archfiend being the same points as the Trident King shows that the points formula might not always work! 
For completeness, the Twilight Kin points pulled from Counter Charge:
| Unit Name | Unit Size | Pts | Role |
|---|---|---|---|
| Corsair Fleetwardens | Troop | 110 | AUX |
| Regiment | 140 | COR | |
| Horde | 235 | COR | |
| Corsair Voidwalkers | Troop | 95 | AUX |
| Regiment | 120 | COR | |
| Horde | 200 | COR | |
| Corsair Void Wranglers | Troop | 135 | AUX |
| Regiment | 205 | COR | |
| Voidtouched Weavers | Troop | (110) | AUX |
| Regiment | (145) | COR | |
| Voidtouched Mutants | Troop | 120 | SPE |
| Regiment | 190 | SPE | |
| Bound Reapers | Troop | 125 | SPE |
| Regiment | 165 | SPE | |
| Bound Phantoms | Troop | 120 | SPE |
| Regiment | 150 | SPE | |
| Bound Butchers | Troop | 135 | SPE |
| Regiment | 185 | SPE | |
| Bound Ravagers | Troop | 140 | SPE |
| Regiment | 215 | SPE | |
| Corsair Void-Skiffs | Regiment | 155 | SPE* |
| deck harpoons | 30 | ||
| Impalers | Troop | 175 | SUP* |
| Regiment | 245 | SUP* | |
| Goredrake [2] | 1 | 180 | SUP |
| Bound Soulflayers | Troop | 180 | SUP |
| wb 5 | 0 | ||
| Bound Mind-Screech [2] | 1 | 160 | SUP |
| lb 6, wb 6, dl 6 | 0 | ||
| Bound Terror [2] | 1 | 235 | SUP |
| Bound Voidlurker [1] | 1 | 230 | SUP |
| Twilight Assassin | 1 | 165 | CHA |
| Navigator [2] | 1 | 100 | CHA |
| Navigator on Void-Skiff [2] | 1 | 150 | CHA |
| Summoner Crone [2] | 1 | 90 | CHA |
| horse | 15 | ||
| bc 3, enthrall 5, hex 3, weak 4, wb 5 | 30,35,25,35,35 | ||
| Bound Butcher Fleshripper | 1 | 160 | CHA |
| Laātheal Voidheart [U] | 1 | 155 | CHA |
| lb 3-9 | |||
| Void Captain | 1 | 135 | WAR |
| Captain on Void-Skiff | 1 | 190 | WAR* |
| Impaler Soulbane | 1 | 165 | WAR* |
| Soulbane on Nightmare | 1 | 205 | WAR* |
| Mikayel, Lord of Nightmares [U] | 1 | 275 | WAR |
Voidtouched Weaver points are unknown, as are any details about what theyāll do in the new edition, apart from provide unlocks. Points here are the old points (shooting regiments have generally dropped in points, if Weavers count as a shooting regiment 
)
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Thanks to @Boss_Salvage for putting out all these lists. Building even basic ambush lists without an app is a pain but Iād never be able make one by going back and forth through a podcast every time I change my mind, thatās for sure.
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Youāre very welcome! Looking forward to escaping the spreadsheet phase too 
If itās helpful, hereās the partial points for Northern Alliance, pulled from the Nerve Check review:
| Unit Name | Unit Size | Pts | Role |
|---|---|---|---|
| Snow Foxes | Troop | (80) | AUX |
| Dwarf Clan Warriors | Troop | 90 | AUX |
| Regiment | 120 | COR | |
| Human Tribesmen | Troop | (100) | AUX |
| Regiment | (150) | COR | |
| Horde | 230 | COR | |
| Ice Naiads | Troop | (90) | AUX |
| Regiment | 125 | COR | |
| Horde | 205 | COR | |
| Pack Hunters | Troop | (105) | AUX |
| Regiment | 135 | COR | |
| Half-Elf Berserkers | Troop | (115) | SPE* |
| Regiment | (180) | SPE* | |
| Hearthguard | Troop?? | ?? | SPE |
| Regiment | 205 | SPE | |
| Ice Kin Hunters | Troop | 125 | SPE |
| Regiment | 150 | SPE | |
| Snow Trolls | Troop | 145 | SPE |
| Regiment | 205 | SPE | |
| Tundra Wolves | Troop | (115) | SPE |
| Regiment | (180) | SPE | |
| Thunderers [2] | Troop | (140) | SPEC* |
| Regiment | (215) | SPEC* | |
| Ice Elementals | Troop | 135 | SUP |
| Regiment | 200 | SUP | |
| The Fallen [2] | Troop | (145) | SUP* |
| Regiment | 210 | SUP* | |
| Frostfang Cavalry | Troop | 170 | SUP* |
| Regiment | 265 | SUP* | |
| Frostclaw Riders | Troop | (135) | SUP* |
| Regiment | 200 | SUP* | |
| ice bombs | 50 | ||
| Frost Giant | 1 | 250 | SUP |
| icy breath 8? | 0 | ||
| Cavern Dweller | 1 | 225 | SUP |
| Ice Kin Bolt Thrower [2] | 1 | 85 | SUP |
| Ice Kin Master Hunter [2] | 1 | 155 | CHA |
| Ice-Queen [2] | 1 | 90 | CHA |
| icy breath 10, surge 8, heal 5, wb 6, bc 2 | 30,(25),(30),(20),20 | ||
| Thegn [2?] | 1 | 125 | CHA |
| frostfang | 35 | ||
| Skald [2] | 1 | 85 | CHA |
| Frostclaw Champion [2] | 1 | 165 | CHA |
| Snow Troll Prime [2] | 1 | 160 | CHA |
| Jorden Talensen [U] | 1 | 140 | CHA |
| Lord | 1 | 140 | WAR |
| Lord on Frostfang | 1 | 180 | WAR* |
| Lord on Chimera | 1 | 310 | WAR |
| Ice Blade | 1 | 120 | WAR* |
| Hrimm, Legendary Ice Giant [U] | 1 | 320 | WAR |
| icy breath 12? | 0 | ||
| Serakina, the Ice-Queen [U] | 1 | 195 | WAR |
| lb 5, surge 8, wb 6 | 0 | ||
| Clarion [U] | 1 | 160 | WAR |
| Magnilde of the Fallen [U] | 1 | (175) | WAR* |
Plenty of unknowns, but it hasnāt stopped me tinkering. 3.5E points in parentheses!
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Comment from Ronnie over on FB regarding Pre-orders etc.
āHi, just to confirm what xxx said, the books arrived, and we are packing and shipping from next week, abd theyāll be with you from early the week after depending when we ship your specific perorder, and where you live. Books ship first, then books + 2 player set, then + addons.
I hope you are going to love 4th 
ā
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Until reviewing one of the Direct Missfire podcasts, I had missed that inspiring forces rerolls of wavering results in 4th. Which is something I was wondering about.
The nerve test for withdrawing as well.
Likely that inspiring is harder to access now (given warlord limit and overall cost of heroes), so the humble standard bearer option - which has been almost universally slagged off in the reviews - might actually be useful, esp as they seem to get very inspiring.
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I feel like people havenāt quite internalized that the banner bearers get commands. Another point is if the command boosting item prove useful it might even be harder to fit in the talisman.
Is the rule for boxcars on nerve check +3 wounds?
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The banner bearer gets Commands but no Lute, so theyāre still barely better than last edition where they needed extra bonus rules to ever get used?
Iām still not entirely sold on Commands. my Undead (my only real army now) donāt get anything exciting.
When you werenāt really restricted in getting access to Inspiring, the SB role probably did need something more - or as you say was just a lute carrier. Now though you are probably source down and the bigger bubble - plus what Inspiring works on now, may mean the do get used.
Obviously this will depend on whether the army gets an inspiring caster type - in which case you just pick them!
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