Historical in 3rd Edition

Busy indeed. Hopefully the current profiles will be compatible with 3rd, albeit old and probably underpowered. Always had an itch to do a full Winged Hussars cav list.

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I bought the Historicals books. I actually feel they are competive as they are. They lack some things, which means the playstyle is a bit more focused. For when one knows they want to bump up their game and go “300” with all the crazy monsters and wild stuff, there are plenty of tools to play a historicals themed army with giants and creatures. The Japanese theme really looks interesting can can make for some interesting landscapes. Tees with blossoms and fallen leaves for example. I’m saving my “autumn” landscape for the release of salamanders. I want that Lost Empires Couatl flying snake really bad.

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If Mantic doesn’t update I’m sure we can get an unofficial player made one. Hopefully, TOs will allow it. Lucky for me, all the GTs I go to allow historicals.

I have hope that they will be compatible. That hope extends to the players with armies from the Uncharted Empires book in the interim between 3rd and when the new army book comes out.

At the beginning of the month, Mantic says on Facebook that they are now focus on KoW until 2020.

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This was a post from Ronnie in a thread about it on Fanatics FB - “Guys, we have heard…and we like that people like playing Roman’s vs undead!! Etc. We dont have a plan for Histroical right now…but it’s clear there’s a desire. So Matt Gilbert and I will have a chat and come up with a cool plan that thrill and excite :slight_smile: … announce we know what it is…we’ll share it with you!”


Well, that’s better than nothing. Interesting that Ronnie didn’t say it would still be playable as is within the new rules…

I don’t envision a big shift, just updating the rules to be inline with the new core rules. A few points cost adjustments here and there.

I doubt that the Historical forces will not be able to play against those in kings of war.

Inclusion and variety all make for a far better experience.


I’m sure the historical armies will be playable eventually at least. Thankfully, I didn’t see any new stats in the images Mantic previewed, so unless there is a new list building requirement like having a unit type “leader” or something, historical’s profiles should still be usable in 3rd.

hopefully if they update the historical side they’ll split some of the lists into more specific lists. some of the lists currently cross way too many eras (roman, egypt, persia, etc) and thus have some issues. splitting them into say two lists each, one ancient, one darkage/medieval, would help there. for rome you might want to do three, one pre-marian reform, one marian reform, and one late roman/sub-roman to reflect the armies during and after the fall of the western empire.

Reviving this thread: are there any news on the rehaul to 3rd ed.? The 2nd ed. book is all I can find on Mantic’s site.

The basic response from those in the know (although nothing officially from mantic) is that it isn’t going to happen.

Too much work to balance (and wasn’t really intended to work with the main rules/armies anyway) and play test.

There was quite a lot of criticism about the original release - scope, errors, felt rushed etc - and neither really suited historical players or actually produced that many lists that can’t be proxied by current lists


Pity, but understandable. Thanks for the info, @Sceleris !


It’s a bit of a shame, I liked that little book, even with its issues.

But I understand where they’re coming from.

That’s so sad! My brother and I were looking forward to a Famtasy vs History campaign. Would anyone know how much leg work it would take to homebrew them to 3e?


Depends on how good it need to be

For a 3rd Edi Historical you would take the KoM Master list and make Theme lists for the different Nations, which is easy

Most work would be to play test all of them against each other and the fantasy armies which would take a while


There’s a WiP update here (in French though!).



I’ve almost finished the english translation of the above KoWH 3rd edition

Just a few things to finalise and we’ll be playing KoWH!


Heck yeah! That’s amazing

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Can you send me the master document when you are done?
I would like to translate it to German