Release schedule/expansion books

We know book 3 leads with Elves- arrogance. Overhaul of the models. Mentioned is a few armies have really old models Need replacing. Dragon claw

Fracture 2 - Fracture of alliances away from green lady, and the 4 factions are located on the map all close to each other. I don’t think this is a xirkaali claw related.

Back to 3, they have made a big thing in the short stories that elves live in Barica, Riversun being their biggest town there. Possibly, ratkin could slot in, festerfur fits in as their big city and sits in that location maybe Riftforged.

The claws will be a factor in 4 of the books.

5 Alliance - I’d guess lead will be dwarves uniting will lead a book with free and imperial and abyssal? with Golloch an AD maybe abyssal dwarves won’t look that different. fitting around that tortoise claw. With Xirkaali their attempts to take crag hudd, goblins might sit here as the 4th one.

4 ruination not a claw - possibly Varanguur as lead army with northern alliance , and twilight and nightstalkers hang out near chill. Varanguur wanted to ruin chill with Tk and Nights

6 death, undead is old models, empire of dust and undead. Ophidia fits the last claw direction pheonix but not sure they have joked it will lead kow5 which could be a bluff.

Kom sits down the road. Can’t see them launching that release. Do think some lore round the successor kingdoms would help. Maybe a 4th army somewhere with very limited release of a cannon etc and command points.

Waffling ends, guess time.

2 fon, ogres, forces of A, basilia

3 elves, rift orc, ratkin, sylvan k

4 varanguur, northen a, twilight, nightstalker

5 dwarves x3, goblins

6 ophidia, undead, empire of d, double A faction launch.

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There are more possible factions than books, especially with ophedia and KoM possible… this could mean that some (like goblins) get updated via another list they are part of (e.g. ogres). Could happen with ratkin and abyssals too. Or orcs. Or Nightstalkers with twiglets.
Probably not going to happen but could be interesting if they try it.

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Well, I’ve been thinking ALOT about this. :wink:

So lets start with the first two expansion books;

Invasion:

  • Xirkalli
  • Salamanders
  • Halflings
  • Trident Realms

Fracture:

  • Nature
  • Basileans
  • Forces of the Abyss
  • Ogres

With these first two books we can start to see a pattern as to how Mantic’s dividing the armies into each book. The first is the “feature” army - the one that gets a major revision with lots of new kits (ie. Xirkalli and Nature).

The next ones are armies that best fit the narrative they’re telling. So for Invasion it was Salamanders and Trident Realms (two of the main naval factions to oppose the Xirkalli’s own naval invasion) and in Fracture it’s Forces of the Abyss and Basileans (both of whom relate to the Green Lady’s aim of merging each half of the Shining and Wicked Ones).

Finally, there’s the filler army - the ones that don’t need many (any?) new kits for their army list and are not strongly linked to the narrative told in the book. Halflings gave Mantic a chance to expand on the Ej colony in the way of the Xirkalli invasion and Ogres have their homeland directly north of the Abyss. But both armies could have easily been justified in later books too.

So in short, each book should have a main army who’s getting the major revision, one or more armies that are their natural antagonist/ally in the current lore and if needed, a filler army to round it out.

Based on that, here’s what I’m thinking Mantic will do for the future books;

Arrogance:

  • Elves
  • Orcs
  • Goblins
  • ??

This is a difficult one to figure out, more-so than any of the other books. As best as I can tell the Elves don’t have an obvious antagonist in the current lore, aside from the Xirkalli. I initially thought Twilight Kin but when it comes to their cousins, Twi-kin seem more interested in spying and subterfuge than outright war.

My best (admittedly poor) guess is that Mantic will make this a classic “Elf vs Greenskin” book. The title is Arrogance, so it seems appropriate that the haughty elves are brought low by the crudest of races.

I initially put Kingdoms of Men in the 4th slot, but I’m sure that’d be wrong. Surely it’d need to be a massive release with heaps of kits? That doesn’t work well with the Elves own big revision. But from a narrative standpoint I can’t think of a better spot for KoM - I can easily imagine them being the force that comes to the Elves aid in their fight against the Greenskins.

But with KoM excluded, I’m thinking this’ll be the first 3-army book this edition.

Ruination:

  • Dwarfs
  • Free Dwarfs
  • Abyssal Dwarfs
  • Ratkin

It’s possible that Dwarfs will sit in the “Alliance” book to reflect the Dwarfs and Free Dwarfs finally working together after their civil war, but I feel like Ruination is a better fit. Free Dwarfs aren’t currently an army in their own right, but Mantic has pretty much confirmed that they’re coming back so if they’re going in any book, it’ll be with the Dwarfs.

Narratively the Abyssal Dwarfs have had an active (if subtle) hand in the Dwarf civil war. There’s also clues in the Invasion book that they’re planning a fresh invasion of the Dwarvern lands once they’re at their weakest after the civil war. Ratkin would be the “filler” army for this book, since they occupy parts of the Halpi mountains and probably want to keep their Holds. It could just as easily be goblins for the same reason. But with Ratkin there might be a chance for some model overlap with the Abyssal Dwarf list, depending on how deeply they go with the Ratkin Slave theme.

Alliance:

  • Northern Alliance
  • Varangur
  • Nightstalkers
  • Kingdoms of Men

Putting Northern Alliance in the “Alliance” books might seem a bit on the nose, but so does putting Elves in the “Arrogance” book so I think it tracks. :wink:

We know Varangur are coming as their own army, so it makes sense to put them alongside the Northern Alliance, both narratively and because there could be some overlap in model kits. Twilight Kin have been gunning for Chill for a while now, but I think they’re better placed in Death (see below). So instead I think the Nightstalkers will be the baddies here, likely acting under some influence of the Twi-kin.

Kingdoms of Men are in the 4th slot because this is the best space for them to get a big revision. They make sense in the broader feel of an “Alliance” book, but otherwise I can’t really be sure how they’d fit into the lore.

Death:

  • Undead
  • Empire of Dust
  • Twilight Kin
  • ?

The only reason Undead and Empire of Dust are here is for the title of the book! Honestly though, I think this book will be the set-up for an undead resurgence, leading to the next edition of Kings of War and the release of Ophidians. It’s hard to say exactly which armies will also feature in this book. My best guess is Twilight Kin, who in the current lore have expressed an interest in stealing magical artifacts from the Opidians that they themselves are stealing from the Empire of Dust.

Beyond that, there’s room for a new army (maybe splitting the undead into Necromancers and Vampires/Tetsumo Shogunate? I can dream. :wink: ). Otherwise I think this could otherwise be another 3-army book. That in itself would make sense - leave a slot open at the end if an army needs to be pushed back, and it otherwise gives Mantic the design space to prepare for a new edition launch.

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With Riftforged Orcs already out, I doubt there will be a big orc release.
I expect a few “normal orc” updates that will double as slaves and therefore come along with Abyssal Dwarfs.

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Riftforge are a single plastic kit with 2 weapon options and still a lot of PVC in there

Might be that we see an update for the regular Orcs with a single plastic kit added with the AD release and a wider release together with the Goblins

But we may know about this once the Ogres are out as if the Goblins don’t get an updated Cavalry with Fracture, Orcs being updated with AD will be unlikley

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Hmm, I would think Elves vs Twi-Kin makes a lot of sense, and would add NA for the dwarven Civil war, since there is a partikular spy in the hidden. Man vs Orcs, would be also a pairing, that makes sense for Pannithor. Varangur would be fine as filler army. i dont see a conflict in Undead and EoD

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Think tying in NS to the same book as NS makes sense, given the shared units between them.

TK and NS?

Yeah!

I’m inclined to agree - I’m just not really sure where they’d fit considering their lore.

Sticking them in “Alliance” with Varangur and Northern Alliance makes alot of sense (TK are pretty keen to plunder Chill), but then there’s no clear slot for Kingdoms of Men to go. Unless, that is, they’re not getting a major range refresh this edition? If that’s the case then that will free up the Alliance book to make Varangur the major release.

Anyway failing that, there’s some logic in throwing TK and NS into “Arrogance”? I’m sceptical about TK going into open war with the Elves, but it’s definitely not outside the realms of possibility.

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as we already know

Invasion: Xirkali, Salamanders, Halflings, Trident Realms
Fractured: FoN, FoA, Ogres, Basilea

My prediction list (Please excuse any translation errors :sweat_smile:)

Ruination:

Elves
Sylvan Kin
Dwarfs
Free Dwarfs

It seems we already know that elves are coming in this book, so it makes perfect sense to use the miniatures to release the Silvan Kin as well, as we could have Nature units straight from the previous book, thereby completing both armies.

Dwarves would also be a perfect army for this book, as they are one of the armies with the oldest miniatures (taking the opportunity to release the Free Dwarves as well, separating them from the Imperial Dwarves, as they would also share a core of new miniatures), and it would make for a legendary starter box set with two armies.

Ruination:

Abyssal Dwarfs
Ratkin
Orcs
Goblins

What better book than this to bring forth the Abyssal Dwarves alongside those who were once their creations—creatures that have now revealed themselves—allowing for the formation of new joint units.

Alliance:

Northern Alliance
Varangur
Nightstalkers
Twilight Kin

Well, more base armies and their themed variants. Although it was mentioned at the time that Varangur is due for a rework, and as I’m not sure which direction their new rework will take, I’m listing it alongside the Northern Alliance, as they share units (for now).

The same applies to TK and NS. Joint units from two armies. So changes to these units must go hand in hand (with possible subtle changes), but the release of new units could serve both armies.

Death:

Undead
Empire of Dust
Kingdoms of Men
Ophidia

Well, the easiest thing would be to include the Skeleton Armies in the Book of Death, alongside the Kingdoms of Men, and perhaps a new army to round off these collector’s editions, featuring the long-awaited Ophidia that everyone’s been asking for.

Since, together with the Kingdoms of Men, they could share miniatures and draw on units from the Undead armies, creating a mix of miniatures that could easily be used to build a complete army.

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Whelp seems like Basileans their new stuff has been revealed.

  • Ur-elohi
  • High Paladin
  • High Paladin on (new) dragon
  • and the one we all knew about Gnaeus Sallustis

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Good update of the derpy old dragon without deviating too far from it. High marks from me!

Glad Gnaeus is back, probably my favorite of the Basilean legends (tho I’m fond of Sammy too)

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I like the dragon and the rest of the minis looks fine, but I’m not sure about the paint scheme. The Ur-Elohi and the lion are looking quite bland. Too little contrast for my taste.

What I’m really dissapointed about is, that there are no new Elohi, Sisterhood, Lancers and Paladin footguard. I hoped they would get an update.

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Yeah - the heroes are nice, but the dated sisters/elohi really take away some of the wow factor that the Basileans should (and could) have.

Purely from a model choice, plastic female warriors are only really covered by shieldwolf and frostgrave - a new HIP kit from mantic would have wider impact than just KoW.

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A new Sisterhood kit (or 2, infantry and mounted) would sell SO WELL, but Mantic doesn’t seem to have the production capacity to make more than a few characters. I wish they’d focused on getting 4e right before going back to the infinite stack of projects.

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The HIP kits in this cycle are probably just going to be the FoN stuff - but definitely missed opportunity for sisters.

Yeah, I really thought we’d see at least one new plastic kit for Basilea - surely Sisterhood, but foot Paladins would have been welcome too (especially if they’d double as an Oathbreaker unit in Abyssals). But that doesn’t seem the case.

For reference, the Invasion book came with 5 plastic kits - 3x for Xirkalli (big dogs, medium dogs and Yan) and 2x for Trident Realms (Depth Horrors and Placoderms). Granted that was a new edition, but it’ll be interesting to see how Fracture compares.

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Article today shows off some of the Herd in the Forces of Nature.

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Some potentially good stuff coming.

Does look like they are taking on board the player feedback, which is good to know.

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