Empire of Dust - Clash of Kings 2022

Army lists and Tactics
#1

Copied from the spoilers thread:

Empire of Dust player here - I am just rejoicing to see the EoD now gets an amazing cheap surge hero in the revenant champion with surge (5) at 75 pts. Adding in respectable Def 5+ and -/14 AND Inspiring makes him great and fills a much needed gap in the army in my opinion.

Also the other updates make me happy - Rhas recalls the Settra vibe while providing interesting gameplay opportunities in combocharging with a Me 5+ / high attacks unit. That our Chariots got changed is nice as well and the now non-mandatory shooting is a welcome option.

Unfortunately, the bone giant didn’t get Slayer/Rampage as its living counterparts did, however the improvment of the behemoth will hopefully make him a viable option too now.
I would have welcomed the return of the undead scorpion to have a medium sized monster (and I got a gorgeous model for it) but I suppose the Wyrm riders tickle the fancy of the majority just fine (and maybe mine too, lets see)

How do the fellow EoD players see the changes? :slight_smile:

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#2

I love the Behemoth now. Running two in an infantry list and trying out triple drain life with Snare, lol. Just make sure that wide flank is protected.

The rev hero is definitely a big plus. It’s good to see that our army can now run such a cheap and efficient support piece like so many others have been able to.

Rhas is nice but he is pricy and the units that would really benefit (chariots, wurm riders, great weapon skeletons) have a very wide frontage so it 's tough trying to get a double charge off once your opponent knows what Rhas can do.

I miss using scorpions as well. Some use them as catapults.

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#3

Yet to try the new profiles on the table, but I’m excited to see what the dusties can do. I like the idea of the Wyrm riders with a decent attachment, like sharpness or strength. They’re basically another EG horde at that point but faster and with no movement penalties. Their skeleton key word then stacks well with the CHP and/or Rahs. Actually, the Nimble item on them could be realllly spicey.
The most impactful change is the rev chamption definitely. Plan on taking two mounted with the surge upgrade. Cheap all purpose unit - brilliant!
I like the idea of Chariots - plink shooting with Shattering to support EG archers and soul snare, and then brutal in melee at a decent cost. I’m just not sure how they fit in my list building yet.
At first glance, the Reanimated Behemoth looks really good. I’m not sure if he’ll beat the Giants to the list or not yet as both have their pros and cons, but the option is nice!
Overall, some really nice changes for EOD.

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#4

Back in 2nd the Behemoth was getting some play with a “monster mash” kind of style. Lots of skeletons and then these colossal monsters pushing forward disturbing the charges. With Phalanx on spearmen regiments and a second line of Snakeriders, looks like an older play style comes back around again. Now we have the cheaper Surge which was deeply needed to add variety to the lists.

“impact hits” was the mentality behind the chariots getting brutal. Chariots got passively improved by not getting targeted by Rampage and Slayer. Im still not convinced Chariots are “up to par” however I understand the design team doesn’t want to make infantry obsoleted. Okay, across the board the chariot force got much cheaper. Lets look.

  • Surge caster added. 75 pts total with surge 5. Same with a standard bearer with the Tome. Good stuff right there.

  • Chariots about 10 pts cheaper. The shooting is minimal vs targets with def 5 or more. Good to drop shooting. Getting super cheap 12 Att TC2 isnt bad on the Regiment(3) and they get cheaper upgrades like STR. I think faster Human Infantry regiments that don’t waver. If this unit is able to “chaff” the front line and the Snake riders come in right after, there is a something there. I see them as fast “thicc” chaff. not bad at holding flanks or shielding the front line. Their size means they will get obstructed by cover and terrain often. It will take far more than their points to break them in one go, which is something to use in ones favor. The larger chariots are necessarily more effective unless given items or charging in with Rahs.

  • Rahs himself isn’t more than a normal Pharaoh chariot but his combat buff could make Skeleton keyword units formidable. Units that come to mind: Undead Wyrm, Bone Giant, both great Wyrms, Chariots, Rev Cav, Revenant Infantry (Hordes mmmh) and all the standard skellies get a huge buff from 5 to 3 for that combat.

  • All the sudden the burrowing Wyrm hitting on 3s with Rahs in combat (14" charge) is tasty. Put some mummies or skeletons that can be surged in front and shoot over with the Wyrms 12" and catapults with Shattering and surge the mummies in. Next round trample them with the Wyrms, sand snakes and Rahs. Chariots on the flanks. Sound slike good times. Can’t wait to put my boyz on the table. Now I just need Easy Army and Ill play some games.

  • Pharaoh with Elite upgrade can take an item now. Thats big in my mind.

Here are some hobby pictures for a break from reading.

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#5

Gorgeous army, thanks for sharing with us!
The colors really evoke a dried out, mummified feel for me. Nice touch with the whip in the back of the skellies as well.

I shared the following idea in the Chariot discussion as well; if you use surge to get into combat, the Chariots can potentially apply their brutal AND shattering simultaneously, maybe thats also a neat trick.

For the Pharao’s Elite upgrade, I am not sure if they just didn’t bother to write the rest of the upgrade text and its still exclusive? The COK22 text is leaving out the points cost as well, so thats where my suspicion is coming from. In my book, they just wanted to correct the keyword “Mummy” (Thanks to the RC, thats something that bewildered me when I first looked through the v3 rules :slight_smile: ).

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#6

I think Shattering only comes into play for nerve tests in the range phase. So if you surge into a unit that you’ve just shot at, you won’t benefit from the shattering rule as there won’t be a check until the end of the combat. So no stacking by the looks of it :frowning:

I had my first game with the COK updates yesterday. My main take away is as the original post said - Rev champs with surge (5) is so refreshing! I took two mounted champs with surge and the Monolith, which gave me pretty much guaranteed surge (13) across the board with the manoeuvrability of the champs. And when they’re not surging, they’re still inspiring or threatening flyers / shooting units etc.

The changes to the Reanimated Behemoth were brilliant fun too. I’m not sure it will completely replace my 2nd Bone Giant, but hitting on 3s is very nice. The lower nerve just makes me nervous!

RAHS was fun but gave me a headache trying to keep my possible mulitcharges open. He did get a few double charges with the Wyrm Riders, but i was against Seige Breakers, so even hitting on 3s didn’t do too well. I’ll give RAHS another go as the threat of his ability is it’s main use I think.

Same goes for the wyrm riders, i think their threat range and manoeuvrability is their greatest strength. Thinking of taking them with brew of haste or nimble next time if i have the points.

I also used chariots for the first time. I took 2 regiments as thicccccc chaff. I wasn’t expecting a lot from them damage output-wise so i wasn’t disappointed, but really liked the threat and the plinky plink damage to make your opponent think.

I find however that my soul snare just gets hounded from turn one with either hex or LB. Might have to practice keeping it hidden until absolutely necessary.

Looks like i’ve got some painting to do.

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#7

Argh, of course you are correct I missed the point about shattering only applying to nerve tests in the shooting phase^^ Thank you for pointing it out!

All in all I think the changes did a lot to make the list more flexible and enable more playstyles, so hurray :smiley:

Looking forward to future games and the reports from all of you!

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#8

A desert swarm regiment is the perfect companion for the Snare. I ran one tonight and it kept the Snare from being shot at. Cover + Stealthy makes a great combo.

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#9

Does anyone happen to know when EasyArmy will update their EoD lists? Still, really looking forward to new upgrades the the army!!

#10

The subscription version has been updated - not sure about the free one

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#11

If not, there’s this:

#12

After some more games;

–Wyrm Riders aren’t that great. As one youtuber said they are “aggressively mediocre.” A points drop or the addition of TC1 would have made a difference.

–Chariots are ok. Not fantastic, just ok. I only run legions now. The bow upgrade is a waste.

–Shooting is more important for us than it ever has been due to the upgrade to elven shooting, points reduction costs across all the armies and enemy wizards getting inspiring (thus being more plentiful). Use those hills when possible. I will be running two guardian archer hordes and soul snare every game. I will be trying out a caster with Alchemist’s Curse to deal with fast Def 5-6 enemies. I rarely see a caster aside from Sebek-Rei in Dust armies these days due to the high cost but the new Library gives us some nice tools and honestly, who doesn’t want to try out the new fun options?

–Healing MIGHT be more important than Surge for us. Said caster will also have Celestial Restoration. Sebek-rei will also be in my list. The playing field has changed a lot since the days of 2nd edition with the inclusion of so many hard hitting units with a multitude of attacks so let the heals fly!

–Clash has definitely made chaff more important than ever. I run 2 troops of rev cav and 2 scavenger troops in 95% of my lists. A list with a ton of shooting can get away with less.

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#13

Interesting insights, thanks for sharing!

On the chariots; given that you miss out on the bow upgrade, what makes you pick the chariots over other mobile light hammers (Rev Cav, Wyrmriders)? Is it the deep nerve pool?

On the chaff: whats your opinion on desert swarms as chaff? Too slow?

#14

Chariots don’t get effected by the -1 to hit from Phalanx or neither of the new Slayer or Rampage rules, which is a nice extra.

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#15

Sceleris nailed two reasons.
A legion also allows me to get enough unlocks with my chaff and irregular guardian archers. The nerve pool definitely helps like you mentioned.

I run one scarab swarm in front of the Soul Snare but that’s it. They are indeed slow unlike scavengers who have incredible coverage and they lack defense and hitting power unlike revenant cavalry.

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#16

I’m still experimenting but I love the Ej Periscope for our casters. Allows them to hide behind infantry units and still cast spells from safety :grinning:. Especially from Hex which may be an issue for us going forwards.

I wish my flying Wryms had got slayer or rampage, but I’m being picky.

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#17

Yes, the periscope is my choice for hidden gem of the new Clash. I’ve moved away from height 2 units so I won’t be using it soon, though.

Try out Apaphys if you haven’t yet. He needs to be built around but he’s a beast and a player at Crossroads did very well with him.

#18

I agree with this sentiment. EoD got a few new toys back, yet Elves have their whole army back and more toys! I played with Sylvan kin in a recent event, its speed and flexibility lead to very controlling play. Being able to neutralize targets at range and keep 12" threat targets at arms length was huge!

Looking back at EoD, nearly all my lists are not going to handle the new meta. Keith Conroy’s Herd for example shows how flight a can open flanks to superior distance chargers. Spd 14 Spirit walkers WCd3+1. A hot roll is 18" charge from one of the slowest units in that army. And that unit can take down almost anything that’s not Def6.

Elves have their Drakons and dragons, And now the Stormwind that charge 18" have Nimble better nerve and can buy Pathfinder.

Twilight got a big jump in speed, same with Varangur with the formation and a Lord on a horse. That guy is a beast with Rampaged3 item and HSB. 13 Att on average against non monster targets.

Ogres got crazy with the Warrior Regiment unlocks. 6 Warrior regiments unlocking SGTs with Heavy bows and Elite, 2 Shooters hordes, and 3 Warlocks, all supported by Nomagrok. Insane range damage starting on Turn 1.

This is just the scratch of the new top tier considerations. Openly, the stuff in EoD is fun, though I think Hex heal and Def 6 is going to be a mainstay in EoD now. We will need those surges to keep us in the fight. Going to have to go back to those Guardian Archers to see what kind of early pressure we can do is my first thought. As much as I love Mummies, I dont know if they can hold their own anymore.

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#19

Do you mean Def 5? For 6 all we have are Behemoths, Shobik and non-flying Pharaohs. If so, I agree. My list is mostly rev cavalry and guardians. We have to go the shooty route or something of a monster mash with Apaphys, Chariots Pharaohs, Shobik, Dragons, etc. although I admit I have no idea how to run things like Dustin Howard’s list or the one used by the player at Crossroads in the north eastern U.S.

I agree with just about everything else you said. So many armies were given incredible tools while Dust and a few others were left behind. If I’m proven wrong in time about Wyrm riders and some other things I’ve said here and elsewhere i’ll own up to it but I stand by what I’m saying for the time being.

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#20

I must admit I am worried about eleven shooting after CoK. They were already good before and now they are better. At the UK CoK tournament I lost badly to an Elf list with 3 bolt throwers, 2 Archmages and 4 regiments of Gladestalkers. I was losing a unit a turn and really struggled to get across the board. That army just got better😳 and im not sure why people thought more shooting was needed