Historical in 3rd Edition

At the beginning of the month, Mantic says on Facebook that they are now focus on KoW until 2020.

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This was a post from Ronnie in a thread about it on Fanatics FB - “Guys, we have heard…and we like that people like playing Roman’s vs undead!! Etc. We dont have a plan for Histroical right now…but it’s clear there’s a desire. So Matt Gilbert and I will have a chat and come up with a cool plan that thrill and excite :slight_smile: … announce we know what it is…we’ll share it with you!”


Well, that’s better than nothing. Interesting that Ronnie didn’t say it would still be playable as is within the new rules…

I don’t envision a big shift, just updating the rules to be inline with the new core rules. A few points cost adjustments here and there.

I doubt that the Historical forces will not be able to play against those in kings of war.

Inclusion and variety all make for a far better experience.


I’m sure the historical armies will be playable eventually at least. Thankfully, I didn’t see any new stats in the images Mantic previewed, so unless there is a new list building requirement like having a unit type “leader” or something, historical’s profiles should still be usable in 3rd.

hopefully if they update the historical side they’ll split some of the lists into more specific lists. some of the lists currently cross way too many eras (roman, egypt, persia, etc) and thus have some issues. splitting them into say two lists each, one ancient, one darkage/medieval, would help there. for rome you might want to do three, one pre-marian reform, one marian reform, and one late roman/sub-roman to reflect the armies during and after the fall of the western empire.

Reviving this thread: are there any news on the rehaul to 3rd ed.? The 2nd ed. book is all I can find on Mantic’s site.

The basic response from those in the know (although nothing officially from mantic) is that it isn’t going to happen.

Too much work to balance (and wasn’t really intended to work with the main rules/armies anyway) and play test.

There was quite a lot of criticism about the original release - scope, errors, felt rushed etc - and neither really suited historical players or actually produced that many lists that can’t be proxied by current lists


Pity, but understandable. Thanks for the info, @Sceleris !


It’s a bit of a shame, I liked that little book, even with its issues.

But I understand where they’re coming from.

That’s so sad! My brother and I were looking forward to a Famtasy vs History campaign. Would anyone know how much leg work it would take to homebrew them to 3e?


Depends on how good it need to be

For a 3rd Edi Historical you would take the KoM Master list and make Theme lists for the different Nations, which is easy

Most work would be to play test all of them against each other and the fantasy armies which would take a while


There’s a WiP update here (in French though!).



I’ve almost finished the english translation of the above KoWH 3rd edition

Just a few things to finalise and we’ll be playing KoWH!


Heck yeah! That’s amazing

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Can you send me the master document when you are done?
I would like to translate it to German


Did the French version ever get translated @Bard_VWG ?

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it did indeed @Sceleris .

Sure did


I have asked for an editable version of the file to update it to KoW 3.5


I can’t send you the master document, but if you contact Dodouce on this discord server he should be able to.

May want to wait until i do the 3.5 updates to English version and work from that.