Well, for this is a sollution. Find a Mantic dealer on the continent. You can find one here.
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Well Iâm glad somewhere has sorted it, but this needs to become the norm!
As I said earlier in the thread, I am in the UK, so the pile of shite that is Brexit at least doesnât affect my hobbying, but people will stop buying from the company unless the import fees problem is sorted generally - there are lots of people not on this message board that I am sure will be turning to other manufacturers.
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As much as you rabble rousers like to blame everything on Brexit, you should be blaming the international distribution chain thatâs collapsing under itâs own weight. If you source all your crap from China and then thereâs global movement restrictions obviously youâre going to face issues. From computer hardware to card board everything now relies on sweat shops in the far off reaches of the planet staffed by children. If countries were properly independent and sourced their own resources then it would be better off for everyone involved. How can you call yourself a first world nation when you rely on another to make cardboard boxes for you? If you want to start pointing fingers at Brexit, I suggest instead you start pointing it at the people responsible for ballsing literally everything they touch up. Brexit would have gone smoothly if the prats in charge didnât constantly lie, backstab and then throw everyone under the bus so no one could prepare for a changing market and adapt to it. Covid and relying on the third world for basic packaging was the final nail in the coffin and frankly, well deserved by every company who did it. Brexit is the easy boogie man to blame when you canât get your toy soldiers, but itâs an extremely shallow take and ignores the entire last 2 years (and continuing) global plague scare going on. Covid wouldnât have been an issue at all if movement was restricted, the total opposite of the EUâs open border policy. I would really like to see more wargaming companies spring up in Europe to offer new interesting ideas into the eco system, the UK is built far too strongly round Nottingham and is rather incestous with itâs designers. Getting some fresh eyes on the rules with local production (or 3D printing) backing them up would be a great change of pace away from the GW and ex-GW staff designing almost everything people talk about.
Now the ranting is over and Iâm sure the globalists have their pitch forks out. Mantic single models were already too expensive any way. I wanted to pick up some vanguard goblins and there was no way in hell I was paying those prices for a single model even with online discounts. Manticâs plastics (outside of vanguard boxes) were pretty good value, but often lacked quality in places. Now theyâre getting into GW prices for single models and game sizes arenât getting any smaller so weâre approaching the Privateer Press era of Mantic. Itâs growing too big to be the cheap punchy underdog and starts to resemble GW until the player base moves on to a new smaller punchier dog. Itâs the standard cycle of secondary wargaming companies and Iâm guessing Bolt Action is the new big secondary from my online wanderings.
what nonsense are you talking, the increase in costs for people outside the UK are solely down to brexit and the introduction of tariffs.
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3D printing wonât replace model kit building in any form with the current technology. I have a lot of experience with both FDM and SLA printing and still buy plastic and metal models regularly because they are such a different experience. The whales arenât going to buy 3D printers and turn on GW because they like building GW plastic kits and donât want to spend a week printing a bloodthrister out of toxic material. Working with resin is a hassle most people donât want to deal with and many canât deal with. Itâs a dangerous chemical that often makes a mess and weâre not even getting into fishing in the vat for failed prints or using the software just to print models. Curing models is still an issue too, large hollow prints can crack on you and itâs a harsh learning curve to watch one of your models split in half a few days after you printed it.
Resin printers are already at the quality of cast resin. Most box covers are 3D printed models painted up by the production staff and itâs impossible to see. The print lines are now so small even on a basic home printer you canât tell a printed from a cast model unless you learn to recognize poses designed to print well as opposed to being cast well. The new 4K screens on smaller printers are insane, while older models like the Elegoo Mars Pro is already good enough to show no print lines at all if you print at itâs smallest settings.
3D printing is great and it will have a place within groups, but there wonât be one on every gamerâs kitchen table. They have serious issues for your average Joe that plastic models donât. Every club/group will have a printer guy but how much he prints for each person is up in the air currently. Iâve discussed this a lot online and the general feel sits about here. Printing the occasional model for people or upgrade parts will become a regular part of clubs, but printing anything above a skirmish warband for multiple people becomes extremely tedious.
A good way to look at the future of tabletop minis is the same as McDonalds and Microwaves. Itâs much easier to just microwave food and eat it then it is to go to McDonalds, but McDonalds is still huge. It feels good to buy a new toy which is totally different to printing one and itâs much less (upfront) effort. Some times you fancy a Big Mac and youâre willing to pay more than you could for an at home microwave burger.
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not really, GW switched from Resin Cast to Resin Printed Promo Models some time ago and you can clearly see the difference
Agree to that but there is a point in printing large amount of models, and this point is GW prices.
An Imperial Army for 40k on a budget, including similar themed 3rd party models to be cheaper, is be 600-800âŹ.
No matter the issues a 3D printer has and the work that comes with it, if you start playing 40k, it is worth it
Even the cheapest possible army in 40k, a Custodes Jetbike Army, will cost 250⏠including discount.
Of course it is cheaper to buy a Resin Printer, print the stuff you need and do nothing with it after that, than going and buy GW Plastic models
Yet if you donât mind a different look for the models, you can buy Mantic Enforcer on Jetbikes and get the same Army for 90âŹ
No chance a Printer is worth the investment compared to this
GWâs price policy of inflating the prices to become the luxury brand within a niche luxury hobby is what makes 3D printing worth it in the first place
the other point were 3D printing is competitive and is already replacing other manufacturers is Microscale
10mm and smaller, were metal models are still the main material for several reason, 3D printing has an advantage no other process has, specially for historical themes as doing 2mm 1:1 scales of battles is now possible
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You have to differenciate. The price increase (thread topic) was explained by Mantic with increased tax and customs AND increased costs for shipping and packaging. So there you are right, but noone denied that.
The current discussion was about unfair and unessecary extra costs by UPS, which they charge solely because of new custom regulations due to brexit.
So, please, next time you give us your view of the world, take the time to read what the actual discussion is. Other than that, good to see you back to the forums.
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Right, distribution to the UKâs biggest trading partner, the EU, wasnât disrupted at all by Brexit. Which tore up all the existing free trade agreements baked into EU membership ⌠right-o.
Oh boy.
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Getting a little heated in here, but I think the points raised are probably interesting for both customers and companies to read.
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Sadly it is a truism of the world that prices will rise.
To put an oddly optimistic spin on things (I save my pessimism for work and general day to day life where I live)
At least we are getting explanations for why prices are rising.
We have to accept that costs go up and Cadburyâs creme eggs are getting smaller.
What I appreciate is the way Mantic handles the price increases (at least the ones they can control) with openness. This helps me avoid the feeling of prices going up just because.
I donât think I buy enough from Mantic. Partly because of where I live and wanting to build the armies I want with the minis I want. I think I will have to get an order in of something, maybe books, to actually show real support for this company and itâs good games.
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fantasywelt.de has a preorder for a german language rulebook on their homepage. Maybe thatâll help with sales in Germany. I know a lot of players who prefer german rulebooks to an extend that they donât buy games in English.
Mantic just needs to translate the other books too. 2nd Edition rulebook and Uncharted Empires were available in German, but none of the CoK books.
I myself own a german version of Dungeon Saga and the Valandor expansion, but I regret having them in German, because the other expansions are English only and I donât like to mix.
I guess it has to do with (not enough) sales though.
We will see.
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Problem is that Mantic does not make the translations but someone in those countries
Dungeon Saga was done by a German Boardgame/RPG Brand, which was bought by Asmodee some time ago (and being on their own again since 2018) but there were at least 3 expansions translated.
I hope that the German Rulebook makes enough sales so that the German company behind it decides to translates the other books as well
and yes, for the German market it is very important to have German rules, not so much that people donât speak English, but for the feeling that the company cares
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âYou rabble rousersâ? I think your post is the most emotional here. People have been sharing, frankly quite dry, anecdotes about new shipping difficulties.
If you leave the single market and customs union there are extra barriers and costs, even if better executed. Leaving the EU and staying in the SM & CU, I imagine, would have gone down down very badly with the supporters of Brexit.
I think everyone in the topic so far has acknowledged a mixture of causes, with Brexit being one factor. Again, itâs been calm. People are just sourcing their toy soldiers differently.
Mantic benefited from EU funding to poorer regions - looks like the UK government is only going to replace a tiny fraction of that support.
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Wait, Cadbury eggs are smaller than they used to be??
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